From jjllambias@hotmail.com Fri Sep 27 17:01:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 28 Sep 2002 00:01:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 7552 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 00:01:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2002 00:01:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 00:01:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2002 00:01:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 00:01:53 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: paroi ro mentu Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1958 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jjllambias2000" X-Originating-IP: 200.69.6.38 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la and cusku di'e > If {pa roi ko'a} means, roughly, {pa roi ca ko'a} xor {ca ko'a > pa roi}, doesn't that imply that the tag's relation to its own > sumti is at the same level as its relation to its sister sumti? Roughly, yes. But the roughness is precisely at the point in question. {paroi ca ko'a} means "once in the unspecified interval, and coincident with ko'a". Now, it could well be that ko'a is the unspecified interval, but consider a quantified case: {paroiku ca ci da} that's "once in the unspecified interval, and coincident with three things". The three things can't all be the unspecified interval. > (What's the difference between 'rotate' and 'revolve'? I'm sure > John will enjoy telling me...) The Earth rotates around its axis and revolves around the Sun. > > {ci djedi} cannot be the length of one occurrence, it is > > three separate lengths. > > It is three separate lengths, but they can perfectly well be > contiguous -- cf "I travelled just the once, on Monday, Tuesday, > and Wednesday". That would require joining the days with {joi}. > So {re roi ci djedi cu klama} would mean "travel twice, each > travelling occuring on each of three things of a day's duration". I think that has to be {re roi pa djedi be li ci}, one three-day period, not three one-day periods. > That's not how I'd read {ca ci djedi} -- I'd say it says something > happens on day 1, day 2 and day 3, but not that it necessarily > happens three times. E.g. {mi zvati la paris ca re djedi} is > sensical if I went there for a weekend trip. It is sensical, but you're viewing it as two events: re da poi djedi zo'u mi zvati la paris ca da The property {mi zvati la paris ca ce'u} is said to hold for exactly two values. ({ze'a} is better than {ca} to indicate that each of the events lasts exactly one full day, rather than just being coincident at some point with one day, but the same principle applies.) mu'o mi'e xorxes