From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sat Sep 28 13:58:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 28 Sep 2002 20:58:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 21260 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 20:58:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2002 20:58:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.59) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 20:58:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 13:58:47 -0700 Received: from 200.69.6.35 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 20:58:47 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: paroi ro mentu Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 20:58:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2002 20:58:47.0751 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6F93570:01C26731] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.6.35] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la djorden cusku di'e >paroiku should behave just like any other floating tense-modal. Indeed. >For >example > baku mi klama la romas. .e la paris. >means > mi ba klama la romas. gi'e ba klama la paris. > mi ba klama la romas. .ije mi ba klama la paris. Does that say that my going to Paris happens after my going to Rome? >and not > mi ba klama la romas. gi'e klama la paris. But nobody suggested that {paroiku} would apply to the first connectand only. I would have said: baku zo'u ge mi klama la paris gi mi klama la romas I don't think this establishes which of Paris or Rome is gone to first. If distributing {ba} makes no difference to the meaning, I don't see how this helps us to decide whether {paroiku} can be distributed or not. Consider one that clearly does make a difference: ta'eku mi klama la paris e la romas This is: ta'eku zo'u ge mi klama la paris gi mi klama la romas Typically, I go both to Paris and to Rome. Is this the same as: ta'eku mi klama la paris ije ta'eku mi klama la romas Typically I go to Paris, and typically I go to Rome. I don't think it is. Or use {ta'enai} for an even more clear case. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com