From phma@webjockey.net Sat Sep 28 17:17:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 29 Sep 2002 00:17:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 17396 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 00:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2002 00:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO neofelis.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 00:17:30 -0000 Received: by neofelis.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 500) id 993433C5CF; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 20:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="CP 1252" To: "Lojban@Yahoogroups. Com" Subject: Re: [lojban] MELBI COI Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 20:17:28 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: X-Spamtrap: fesmri@ixazon.dynip.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02092820172800.30239@neofelis> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com From: Pierre Abbat X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 On Saturday 28 September 2002 17:48, And Rosta wrote: > - all improvements welcomed. I particularly struggled with trying to find > ways to avoid ending lines (fourth lines) on a trochee -- "poi mroselfu > le kam zifre" is particularly annoying; it would be nice if Lojban song > allowed elision of the final vowel of a gismu. "fe mi litru" ought to be > "mo'i zo'a mi litru"; I considered "i le be mo'i zo'a mi litru" as an > alternative. Me, when I sing "da pu laldo ninmu", I elide some of the final vowels: da pu laldo ninmu co tunlo le sfan- .i pe'i le sfan- nuntu'o na dran- .i mutc- se xran- da pu laldo ninmu co tunlo le mlat- .i tunlo le mlat- .i cizra bo plat- The final consonants of "sfan-", "dran-", "xran-", and "mutc-" are soft, but those of "mlat-" and "plat-" are not, because of the respective vowels. I think that a little poetic license should be allowed in songs - we aren't singing for computers. I've seen bad grammar in French songs - "le petit navire" has the line "On tiras à la courte paille", where a wrong verb form is used for its liaison effect. phma