From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun Sep 29 08:20:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 29 Sep 2002 15:20:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 88439 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 15:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2002 15:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 15:20:09 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17vfuP-00044c-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 08:23:01 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17vfto-00043z-00; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 08:22:24 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 29 Sep 2002 08:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17vftl-00043q-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 08:22:21 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8TFQOGZ050757 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 10:26:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g8TFQOxh050756 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 10:26:24 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 10:26:24 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: sticky hypothesis Message-ID: <20020929152624.GA50534@allusion.net> References: <008801c26796$56127240$ef2af8c1@ftiq2awxk6> <000e01c267a2$3807e6c0$dac70950@ftiq2awxk6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ikeVEW9yuYc//A+q" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000e01c267a2$3807e6c0$dac70950@ftiq2awxk6> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 1711 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --ikeVEW9yuYc//A+q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 12:22:23PM +0200, Lionel Vidal wrote: > Is there a grammatical device to make some hypothesis > marked by {da'i} sticky? I would like to be able to sate > an hypothesis in the {da'i} sense, then to express > a bunch of bridis all dependent of it but not connected in > any other way, and then to reverse to normal discourse. > Or in other words, something like the sticky tag used for tense, > adapted to discursives. > (The context of all this is a tentative translation of some mathematical > text, where the validity of an hypothesis may run for some times, > before being proved or disproved) > Any ideas? Well, I would've suggested: fi'o du'u da'i ko'a broda brodu ko'e .e ko'i fe'u ki But for some unknown reason the grammar only allows KI on simple-tense-modals, and not the full fi'o ones. Dunno why. Anyway, so I suggest you could do something like: .i broda brodu .ini'i tu'e .i ko'a ko'e broda .i ko'e ko'a broda tu'u Which is probably nicer than trying to use tense stickiness anyway. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --ikeVEW9yuYc//A+q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9lxufDrrilS51AZ8RAlRHAKC8VfEqD9aHqumuQ8Xa61qQLqpTlACgxmMk G69yAVtGHGs8qhlJfoW2Iq8= =odvY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ikeVEW9yuYc//A+q--