From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sun Sep 29 14:53:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 29 Sep 2002 21:53:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 59644 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 21:53:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2002 21:53:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.115) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 21:53:48 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 14:53:48 -0700 Received: from 200.69.6.40 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:53:47 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: [lojban] MELBI COI Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:53:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2002 21:53:48.0278 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0A76960:01C26802] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.6.40] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la and cusku di'e > > Right. "Unido" is more than {pamei} though, because it suggests > > that it is the result of something (the result of uniting), not > > just the present state. {poi ba'o pamei binxo}, I guess. Of course > > it is not always possible to capture every nuance in a translation. > >Does "unido" mean that to you as a spanish speaker? Be#cause to me >it seems that it is the state of being in union that makes it >impossible to be conquered (or divided, in American). It doesn't >seem to matter whether this state is the result of uniting. In >English, en-participles are not necessarily resultative. I don't know. I'm thinking of the slogan "el pueblo, unido, jamás será vencido": "The people, united, will never be defeated". Maybe the problem is that I've always understood it as an unrealized aspiration and not as a description of a state of affairs. I don't get the same from "Reino Unido", "Estados Unidos", "Naciones Unidas", etc. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com