From jjllambias@hotmail.com Mon Sep 30 07:57:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 30 Sep 2002 14:57:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 82896 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 14:57:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2002 14:57:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.181) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 14:57:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 07:57:41 -0700 Received: from 200.49.74.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:57:40 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: [lojban] MELBI COI Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:57:40 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2002 14:57:41.0453 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9ADFFD0:01C26891] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.49.74.2] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la and cusku di'e >And it seems to me that the necessary condition for the people to >resist defeat is that they *be* united, not that they have *become* >united. Even if they always were united, right from the outset, they >would still never be defeated. Yes, you're right. I think I can see now a bit more clearly what bothered me about {lei prenu ku poi pamei}. In "el pueblo, unido", the adjective is not used to select which people I'm talking about, but rather which state of an already identified people. (Not "any people which is united", but "this people when it is united". Actually, not even "this", because "the people" I think is taken as a singular reference, the only people that there are.) So, can {poi} be used to select from different worlds for the same referent? mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com