From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Sep 30 17:10:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 1 Oct 2002 00:10:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 40321 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2002 00:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2002 00:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2002 00:10:43 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17wAfY-0003OO-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:13:44 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17wAeu-0003O3-00; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:13:04 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakemtao02.cox.net ([68.1.17.243]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17wAer-0003No-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:13:01 -0700 Received: from nora.lojban.org ([68.100.206.153]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021001000927.LRYJ12192.lakemtao02.cox.net@nora.lojban.org> for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:09:27 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020930201757.02ddc970@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: noras@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:20:31 -0400 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: MELBI COI In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 1779 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: noras@lojban.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Nora LeChevalier From: Nora LeChevalier Reply-To: noras@lojban.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out la and cusku di'e: >xorxes > > la and cusku di'e > > > > >Can you do any better than {cu se li'i rulmle ua}, given that the > > >original is "(they) say (to me) 'what a beautiful flower!'"? > > > > (I think there's no "to me" in the original, they will just > > say it.) > >Some versions have {mi diranno}. There is no canonical original >version, which is one of the minor pleasures it holds for me. Any >words are 'correct' as long as they approximate the basic meaning >and fit the music. > > > Direct quotation seems out of the question, maybe just {cu xrula > > melbi cusku ua}. > >Maybe {cu melbi xrula ganse ua}. Can you use ti'e (evidential for hearsay): cu melbi xrula ti'e ua or cu'u (I believe you had this at the end of a sentence, so it won't pick up any following sumti - zo'e therefore implied): cu melbi xrule cu'u ua -- mi'e noras noras@lojban.org Nora LeChevalier