From jcowan@reutershealth.com Tue Oct 01 11:53:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: Lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 1 Oct 2002 18:53:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 82565 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2002 18:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2002 18:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.reutershealth.com) (65.246.141.151) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2002 18:53:52 -0000 Received: from skunk.reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@[10.65.117.21]) by mail2.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA09479; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200210011905.PAA09479@mail2.reutershealth.com> Received: by skunk.reutershealth.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:53:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [lojban] gizmu To: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk (And Rosta) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Cc: jcowan@reutershealth.com (John Cowan), Lojban@yahoogroups.com (Lojban) In-Reply-To: from "And Rosta" at Oct 01, 2002 07:20:44 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8122456 X-Yahoo-Profile: john_w_cowan And Rosta scripsit: > > I pronounce "prism" and "prison" alike, both with two syllables. So this > > is normal (old) intervocalic voicing of /s/. I presume the now-lost /t/ > > of "listen" blocked this process, as likewise in "hustle", "castle", > > "muscle", /p&sl=/ (conventionally "passel") < "parcel". "Often" is > > on the same pattern as well. > > Indeed so. But synchronically, word-internal /sn/ is not impossible in > native vocab. My point is that the [z] in "prism" and "prison" is not assimilation, but old intervocalic voicing. -- John Cowan jcowan@reutershealth.com www.reutershealth.com www.ccil.org/~cowan Consider the matter of Analytic Philosophy. Dennett and Bennett are well-known. Dennett rarely or never cites Bennett, so Bennett rarely or never cites Dennett. There is also one Dummett. By their works shall ye know them. However, just as no trinities have fourth persons (Zeppo Marx notwithstanding), Bummett is hardly known by his works. Indeed, Bummett does not exist. It is part of the function of this and other e-mail messages, therefore, to do what they can to create him.