From xod@thestonecutters.net Tue Oct 01 19:02:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 2 Oct 2002 02:02:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 56094 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2002 02:02:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2002 02:02:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2002 02:02:17 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17wYtB-0001dV-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 19:05:25 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17wYsa-0001d6-00; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 19:04:48 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 01 Oct 2002 19:04:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17wYsW-0001cx-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 19:04:45 -0700 Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9221YJ88976 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 22:01:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 22:01:34 -0400 (EDT) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: xoi'a In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021001211551.G88483-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 1808 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, And Rosta wrote: > Hope sez: > > Rosta, care to elaborate? I agree with the ZAhO point. > > Xod, I don't mind being referred to as la rosta, but doi rosta > transports me back to the macho homophobic boorish days of > highschool... I didn't mean offense, I was just avoiding the confusion of the name "And", which has thrown me more than once. > > > >From the Wiki: > > > > * xoi'a? [PU]: increasing linearly over time > > * la papri xoi'a pelxu: The page is yellowing. > > > > * xoi'e? [PU]: exponential increasing > > * do xoi'e lojbo certu: You're learning Lojban at an exponential > > rate. > > > > * Semantically, xoi'a/xoi'e belong in ZAhO, since they deal with > > change in truth over time. For example, co'a is change from categorically > > false to categorically true. xoi'a/xoi'e deal with rates of increase in > > degree of truth. However, there are several possible rates of increase, > > and there is also the possibility of decrease, so I think this domain of > > meaning requires some more comprehensive proposal than simply these two > > cmavo. --And > > I haven't had time to mull it over enough to come up with a positive > proposal, but we can see change as like movement somewhere along the > scale ranging from infinitely true to infinitely false. The change > can be either from one defined position to another, or change within > a region of the scale in one or the other direction. The latter sort > of change can be at a constant rate, or an accelerating rate or a > decelerating rate. xoi'a/xoi'e pick out change within the True part > of the scale ({xoi'V na ku} and {xoi'V ja'a xi pi PA ku} would give > change within other parts of the scale) that is constant or accelerating. I think more along the lines of mathematical functions. How many functions are useful for these purposes? In conversation I find myself desiring linear & monotonic functions, exponential, and discontinuity, the latter could be di'inai. -- Before Sept. 11 there was not the present excited talk about a strike on Iraq. There is no evidence of any connection between Iraq and that act of terrorism. Why would that event change the situation? -- Howard Zinn