From a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Wed Oct 02 15:02:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 2 Oct 2002 22:02:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 46689 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2002 22:02:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2002 22:02:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2002 22:02:05 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17wrcM-0006hQ-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 15:05:18 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17wrbh-0006gB-00; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 15:04:37 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 02 Oct 2002 15:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox-14.st1.spray.net ([212.78.202.114]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17wrbZ-0006f1-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 15:04:29 -0700 Received: from oemcomputer (host213-121-67-58.surfport24.v21.co.uk [213.121.67.58]) by mailbox-14.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0646849B3D for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 00:00:43 +0200 (DST) To: Subject: [lojban] Re: paroi ro mentu [3] Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:02:21 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20020929160341.GB50774@allusion.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal X-archive-position: 1833 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: "And Rosta" Reply-To: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122260811 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin Jordan DeLong > On Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 12:02:03AM +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote: > > la and cusku di'e > > >Remind me what is to be gained by using roi + sumti rather > > >than roi + ku? > > > > That the sumti gives the exact interval in which the repetitions > > occur, {ca} just gives an event with some overlap. I suppose > > {ze'a ro mentu paroi} would work just as well as {paroi ro mentu}. > > I agree. Of course, as was likely And's intention to suggest, you > *can* express either of the meanings which are being suggested for > "paroi ro mentu" through seperate mechanisms. However I don't think > there should much doubt of that for almost anything in lojban, so > I'm not sure what his point was. ... that when we consider the question of what such-and-such means, one important consideration is whether there are convenient alternative ways to express the candidate meanings. In situations where there isn't a convenient alternative way to express a candidate meaning, that candidate meaning becomes a stronger contender to be the Correct Meaning. I am here articulating a principle implicit in general debates on Lojban List, not a principle that I have declared ex catheter. --And.