From jjllambias@hotmail.com Wed Oct 02 16:53:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 2 Oct 2002 23:53:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 5621 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2002 23:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2002 23:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2002 23:52:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2002 23:52:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 23:52:40 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: paroi ro mentu [1] Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1769 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jjllambias2000" X-Originating-IP: 200.69.6.58 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la and cusku di'e > If a feast lasts for seven days, it can be seen as happening on > seven days. Analogously, if I line up a row of logs side by > side and lie on them, I can be seen as lying on (or being > located at) each of the logs. I'd say {ze'a le djedi be li ze} or {ze'a lei ze djedi} and {ve'a lei ze grana}. Also {ca le ze djedi} and {bu'u le re grana} would work, yes. But the sumti of {roi} is for the interval over which the number of instances repeat, not for the duration of the event. > > Certainly the more convenient one is the one that allows us to say > > "x times per minute/hour/day/etc." directly. > > I agree, but my concern is that "I do it once per minute" does > not mean "for every x that is a minute, I do it once". It does mean that, as long as we think of time as divided into a series of minutes. It doesn't mean that if we allow overlapping minutes, I agree. Is that the objection? >Rather, it > means, "for every x that is quantity of minutes and during which > I do it, x is a pa mei" or, better: > ro da poi de ge mentu ke'a gi jai ca gasnu zo'u du li pa da It doesn't mean that either, because if I do it once per minute then there are for example many 1.5 minute intervals in which I do it once. (There are other 1.5 minute intervals in which I do it twice.) (One minute is not the duration of each instance. It is the duration of the interval in which the n instances occur.) > Can fi'o take a selbri with sumti, as in {fi'o [broda be ko'a] fo'a}? Yes. > If so, then you could formulate {roi} as {fi'o ra'inrapli be li pa > fo'a}, and prove your point using that reformulation. Yes, that's good, though I think I want to keep the quantifier vis-a-vis the rest of the terms in the bridi. mu'o mi'e xorxes