From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Oct 02 17:14:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 3 Oct 2002 00:14:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 50137 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2002 00:14:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2002 00:14:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2002 00:14:08 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17wtg9-0007YF-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 17:17:21 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17wtfW-0007Xt-00; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 17:16:42 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 02 Oct 2002 17:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17wtfS-0007Xk-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 17:16:38 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g930KiGZ080992 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:20:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g930KiTN080987 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:20:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:20:44 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: tu'o du'u (was Re: xoi'a) Message-ID: <20021003002044.GB80454@allusion.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kORqDWCi7qDJ0mEj" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 1842 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --kORqDWCi7qDJ0mEj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 05:01:37PM +0100, And Rosta wrote: [...] > It's kind of like if I say "a (certain) nose of mine is big" or "look at = a (certain)=20 > sun" -- since I have only one nose, and there is only one sun, the=20 > referent is obvious, yet the locutions imply that I have more than one no= se > and that there is more than one sun. Also I think saying "lo nazbi be mi" is more or less wrong. If you're talking about your nose, you must know it, so you really should say "le nazbi be mi". Same thing as the du'u stuff. The "a nose of mine" reading is much more like "lo nazbi" than "le nazbi". The inner ro on "le" does *not* imply I have multiple noses. But using "lo" insead of "le" would imply I'm not sure which thing is my nose. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --kORqDWCi7qDJ0mEj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9m41cDrrilS51AZ8RApncAJ0f62mu24jN9m/2Lmdy006CSembVQCfSdAf waCzf0IounNdk/LaYYKWVjk= =6z+H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --kORqDWCi7qDJ0mEj--