From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Oct 02 17:58:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 3 Oct 2002 00:58:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 21575 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2002 00:58:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2002 00:58:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2002 00:58:45 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17wuNL-0007hv-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 18:01:59 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17wuMg-0007ha-00; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 18:01:18 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 02 Oct 2002 18:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17wuMc-0007hQ-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 18:01:14 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g9315KGZ081871 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:05:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g9315Kmo081870 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:05:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:05:20 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: a new kind of fundamentalism (was: RE: Re: paroi ro mentu Message-ID: <20021003010520.GD80454@allusion.net> References: <20020928183136.GA42897@allusion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8w3uRX/HFJGApMzv" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 1847 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --8w3uRX/HFJGApMzv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 11:03:11PM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > Jordan DeLong > > On Sat, Sep 28, 2002 at 06:00:27PM -0000, jjllambias2000 wrote: > > > la djorden cusku di'e > > > > Huh? I don't see how either of the above addresses logical connect= ives > > > > for this.=20 > > [...] > > > Anyway, all this is to say that whatever rules apply to=20 > > > {ko'a e ko'e} should equally apply to {ro le re co'e}, since > > > logically they are essentially the same thing. > >=20 > > What chapter, please? >=20 > Woldy is the gospel for Lojban but not for logic. I had misunderstood xorxes' claim. I suggest you read further in the thread. [...] > Or at least, that attitude I've just described is a premise of > these jboske discussions. The premise can be rejected by a > CLL-fundamentalist (who, I'm sure, would be disavowed by CLL's > author), but such a rejection does render participation in the > discussions somewhat unproductive. Chapter one: ... You can learn the language described here with assurance that (unlike previous versions of Lojban and Loglan, as well as most other artificial languages) it will not be subject to further fiddling by language-meisters. ... If even the book's author disclaims that goal, as you claim he would, then this language is seriously fucked. However, I don't think that that goal would be disclaimed by all but a small (and unfortunately loud) minority of "lojbanists". Though there are certainly a few who would say they are in favor of that goal, but act the opposite. So thankfully the massive amount of fiddling which you are hilariously referring to as "jboske" is more or less inconsequential. Certainly postings on the wiki have far more import than messages sent around the list, though, due to their lack of transience. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --8w3uRX/HFJGApMzv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9m5fQDrrilS51AZ8RApuDAKC2naV1OAgn92jnAV8GaZIn3HwZtQCgmyIx qUmCISo5GM42miHwTk5rgmA= =SYx8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --8w3uRX/HFJGApMzv--