From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Oct 02 20:48:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 3 Oct 2002 03:48:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 38200 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2002 03:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2002 03:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2002 03:48:11 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17wx1K-0008Uc-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 20:51:26 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17wx0g-0008UJ-00; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 20:50:46 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 02 Oct 2002 20:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miranda.org ([209.58.150.153] ident=qmailr) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17wx0c-0008UA-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 20:50:42 -0700 Received: (qmail 28439 invoked by uid 534); 3 Oct 2002 03:47:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:47:26 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: a new kind of fundamentalism (was: RE: Re: paroi ro mentu Message-ID: <20021002214726.T26784@miranda.org> References: <20021003024421.21C2E93786@server2.fastmail.fm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from a.rosta@lycos.co.uk on Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 04:11:33AM +0100 X-archive-position: 1854 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jkominek@miranda.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jay F Kominek From: Jay F Kominek Reply-To: jkominek@miranda.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 04:11:33AM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > > On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:28:26 -0600, "Jay F Kominek" > > said: > > > > Note however that both are being archived, and as such have an equal > > > > degree of permanence, though not an equal degree of accessibility. > > > > > > So long as Yahoo deigns to retain the archives. > > So they're not archived at Lojban.org? The stuff which predates the creation of the mirror list? No, of course not. The only source for that is Yahoo, and they make it very, very difficult to retrieve that data. Sure, you can go in and pull down any message you like, but we're talking about something on the order of 14000 messages. You don't do that by hand, and Yahoo actively tries to confound the tools one would normally use to retrieve that much stuff. -- Jay Kominek Tact is the ability to tell a man he has an open mind when he has a hole in his head.