From poldenet@yahoo.co.uk Thu Oct 03 15:33:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: poldenet@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 3 Oct 2002 22:33:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 48423 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2002 22:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2002 22:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp017.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.114) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2002 22:33:19 -0000 Received: from m263-mp1.cvx1-a.man.dial.ntli.net (HELO paul) (poldenet@62.252.197.7 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2002 22:33:17 -0000 Message-ID: <004401c26b2c$d56e3da0$07c5fc3e@dennett> To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021003071349.032088c0@pop.east.cox.net> Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban in 12 weeks? Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 22:25:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C26B2B.D1A962E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "poldenet" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119847185 X-Yahoo-Profile: poldenet ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C26B2B.D1A962E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been using the Logflash program from 17th June until 25th September = up to the end of Gaining Control Mode. I used the program pretty much dail= y, averaging about 45 minutes to an hour a day throughout this period of 10= 1 days. I therefore estimate that I have spent perhaps 76 to 101 hours usi= ng Logflash. When I started out learning the Lojban gismu I set myself two= targets: firstly to achieve 50% recognition and recall within 3 months, an= d then to achieve 90% recognition and recall within 6 months. I tested mys= elf on 17th September, by which time I had completed the New Words mode and= was more than half way through the Gaining Control Mode. I scored 57% on = recognition and 53% on recall, with no special preparation other than the L= ogflash work I had been doing anyway. Bob implied I think that the Under Control phase under Gaining Control mode= were a kind of ongoing test of overall progress (apologies if this is not = the case). However I didn't get that impression while doing the work, as i= t seemed to me that the gismu given for recall in the Under Control phase w= ere mostly from the most recent sessions, with only a handful from further = back. So although I was regularly remembering 80% plus of the Under Contro= l words, I think this gave a somewhat inflated impression of my real abilit= y, as the test on 17th September indicated.=20 I have stopped using Logflash now, at least for the time being, as I want t= o try other ways of consolidating the vocabulary, partly by actively using = the language, and also learning the gismu by topic using the thesaurus file= worked out by Yevgeni Sklyanin. In any case I will send the log files to = Bob if they are useful. Paul Dennett Halifax, UK=20=20=20=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Robert LeChevalier=20 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban in 12 weeks? If anyone else has used LogFlash extensively (ideally having gone through= =20 all the new words and preferably up to maintenance mode) and has not sent= =20 me logs, the files are need are the two files labelled ".fl1" with your=20 name in the filename. Thorough analysis of the logs takes a while=20 including a software program that I don't remember how to use right now,= =20 but the above numbers came from a quick scan (since I have a pretty good= =20 idea what to look for). lojbab --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.386 / Virus Database: 218 - Release Date: 09/09/02 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C26B2B.D1A962E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have been using the Logflash program fro= m 17th=20 June until 25th September up to the end of Gaining Control Mode.  I us= ed=20 the program pretty much daily, averaging about 45 minutes to an hour a day= =20 throughout this period of 101 days.  I therefore estimate that I = have=20 spent perhaps 76 to 101 hours using Logflash.  When I started=20 out learning the Lojban gismu I set myself two targets: firs= tly=20 to achieve 50% recognition and recall within 3 months, and then to achieve = 90%=20 recognition and recall within 6 months.  I tested myself on 17th Septe= mber,=20 by which time I had completed the New Words mode and was more than half way= =20 through the Gaining Control Mode.  I scored 57% on recognition and 53%= on=20 recall, with no special preparation other than the Logflash work I had been= =20 doing anyway.
 
Bob implied I think that the Under Control= phase=20 under Gaining Control mode were a kind of ongoing test of overall prog= ress=20 (apologies if this is not the case).  However I didn't get that impres= sion=20 while doing the work, as it seemed to me that the gismu given for reca= ll in=20 the Under Control phase were mostly from the most recent sessions= ,=20 with only a handful from further back.  So although I was regularly=20 remembering 80% plus of the Under Control words, I think this gave a=20 somewhat inflated impression of my real ability, as the test on 1= 7th=20 September indicated. 
 
I have stopped using Logflash now, at leas= t for the=20 time being, as I want to try other ways of consolidating the vocabulary, pa= rtly=20 by actively using the language, and also learning the gismu by topic u= sing=20 the thesaurus file worked out by Yevgeni Sklyanin.  In any case I= will=20 send the log files to Bob if they are useful.
 
Paul Dennett
Halifax, UK   
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Fro= m:=20 Robert=20 LeChevalier
To: lojban@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1= :17=20 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban in 12= =20 weeks?

If anyone else has used LogFlash extensively (ideally having gon= e=20 through
all the new words and preferably up to maintenance mode) and = has=20 not sent
me logs, the files are need are the two files labelled ".fl1= "=20 with your
name in the filename.  Thorough analysis of the logs t= akes=20 a while
including a software program that I don't remember how to use= =20 right now,
but the above numbers came from a quick scan (since I have= a=20 pretty good
idea what to look=20 for).

lojbab
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