From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Oct 03 15:44:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 3 Oct 2002 22:44:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 73045 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2002 22:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2002 22:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2002 22:44:07 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17xEki-0004nW-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 03 Oct 2002 15:47:28 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17xEkB-0004n7-00; Thu, 03 Oct 2002 15:46:55 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 03 Oct 2002 15:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miranda.org ([209.58.150.153] ident=qmailr) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17xEk7-0004my-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2002 15:46:51 -0700 Received: (qmail 29960 invoked by uid 534); 3 Oct 2002 22:43:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:43:29 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: a new kind of fundamentalism Message-ID: <20021003164329.Z26784@miranda.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021003064510.03166ac0@pop.east.cox.net> <3D9CC5A7.2080901@bilkent.edu.tr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3D9CC5A7.2080901@bilkent.edu.tr>; from robin@bilkent.edu.tr on Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 01:33:11AM +0300 X-archive-position: 1884 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jkominek@miranda.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jay F Kominek From: Jay F Kominek Reply-To: jkominek@miranda.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 01:33:11AM +0300, Robin Turner wrote: > On the subject of fundamentalism, the CLL is the ultimate authority on > Lojban usage, not. The ultimate authority is the BNF grammar + the > gismu list + the cmavo list. The CLL simply exists to make this > understandable to carbon-based life-forms. Incidentally, I was talking > to a philosophically-inclined computer scientist some years back about > Lojban. His comment: "You've got a BNF grammar? That is so cool!" The grammar only covers the syntax, but does so authoritatively and in a fashion which allows it to decide for any utterance. The wordlists at this point don't seem to do a whizzbang job of thoroughly describing the semantics. And that usage of 'not' went out of style while I was still a teenager. :) Though I suppose it could've made its way back in. -- Jay Kominek A UNIX is anything which is subtly incompatible with everything else claiming to be a UNIX.