From lojbab@lojban.org Fri Oct 04 06:28:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 4 Oct 2002 13:28:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 20863 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2002 13:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2002 13:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2002 13:28:18 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17xSYQ-0000vO-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 06:31:42 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17xSXk-0000uX-00; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 06:31:00 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 04 Oct 2002 06:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakemtao04.cox.net ([68.1.17.241]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17xSXe-0000uE-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 06:30:54 -0700 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.206.153]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021004132654.WHDY1315.lakemtao04.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org> for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:26:54 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021004090736.031e50d0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 09:21:18 -0400 To: Subject: [lojban] Re: preventing cartmanism (was: RE: Re: a new kind of fundamentalism In-Reply-To: References: <20021003164614.A26784@miranda.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 1898 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Robert LeChevalier Reply-To: lojbab@lojban.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab At 01:14 PM 10/4/02 +0100, And Rosta wrote: >Jay: > > On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 01:44:27AM +0300, Robin Turner wrote: > > > A speaker of a conlang is more likely to say, in the immortal words > > > of Eric Cartman, "Screw you guys, I'm going home." > > > > Exactly. And this is what the "new fundamentalists" want to prevent. > >It's what we all want to prevent. How to prevent it is one of the >themes of this thread. My view continues to be that the best >solution is to ghettoize (to different lists and different areas >of the wiki) the controversial activities of the various factions, >and reserve the common forums for uncontroversial things. Lojbab >seems to have come round to this view recently. Primarily because the community seems to now be robust enough that the "ghettos" can be populated without depopulating the main list. I still would like to see the summary articles, but they'll likely be solicited for JL when it restarts, even if people don't start habitually posting summaries. I don't know whether you or anyone else still reads Linguist List, but what I would like to see wrt the "ghettoization", is when someone on Linguist List has posted a query, collected answers off-list, and then posted a summary for the List of the response. For Lojban purposes, this would mean that someone posts a "how to say it" query, and if it seems to get into technicalities, someone says - "let's take it to jboske and I will summarize the results for the main list". The jboske option is superior to private email in that the arguments are logged. BTW, while I have had objections to moving the main Lojban List off yahoogroups for advertising reasons, I would encourage the mirroring/moving of the specialty lists to lojban.org because of the archiving question. >In other words, given that not everyone wants to play the same game, >we should manage our affairs so that the different games can be >played separately without infringing on the others. I really don't see that we are playing different games. Rather, it is a question of data volume and relevance. Mailing lists really don't have many filtering options. But when the volume gets too high, people tune out from overload or sign off the list. When the volume gets too low, people fall asleep. The wiki has turned out to be a better tool for working at the interest level you want without getting bogged in excess detail (which can be shoved off to another page) (Nora likes reading it more than the list). But it isn't nearly as easy to follow in real time as a mailing list. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org