From nessus@free.fr Sat Oct 05 13:00:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 5 Oct 2002 20:00:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 85859 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2002 20:00:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2002 20:00:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2002 20:00:07 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17xv9I-00084P-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:03:40 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17xv8i-000847-00; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:03:04 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out-3.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.19.233] helo=mel-rto3.wanadoo.fr) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17xv8a-00083x-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:02:56 -0700 Received: from mel-rta7.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.61) by mel-rto3.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3D760D7C011D80B0; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 21:58:44 +0200 Received: from ftiq2awxk6 (80.9.201.99) by mel-rta7.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3D8011E600D9E2B2; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 21:58:43 +0200 Message-ID: <001301c26cab$5ee70100$63c90950@ftiq2awxk6> To: , References: <20021005141329.R6378-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> Subject: [lojban] Re: prescription & description (was: RE: Re: a new kind of fundamentalism Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 22:07:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-archive-position: 1931 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: nessus@free.fr Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: "Lionel Vidal" Reply-To: nessus@free.fr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47678341 X-Yahoo-Profile: cmacinf Invent Yourself: > On Sat, 5 Oct 2002, Lionel Vidal wrote: > > A Naturalist could maybe consider jboske as just a tool to better > > understand what Lojban ba'e is, through discussions on how it > > could/should/may be. > > le smuni be zoi gy. ba'e is .gy bei do be'o cu jai cfipu mi .i le zu'o > jboske cu zu'o casnu le da'i lojbo Ok, I was not very clear. I meant {ba'e is} as a more aesthetical written emphasis than {IS} or {*is*}. I agree it is not a very good or even meaningful usage. My point was that even if a Naturalist is opposed to any prescriptive change (or to a mere usage proposal or semantic interpretation that he may understand as a prescriptive change), he could nonetheless gain a better understanding of Lojban by just trying to solve the involved problem with what he would call a strict baselined solution. Whether he posts his solution to be further discussed or dismisses the problem as just trivial is irrelevant: he has just made a step, even a small one, towards the fluency graal. And IMO these steps tend to be not so small, as most of the problems that are discussed lead to different often enlighting solutions among Naturalists themselves (and these solutions could also often enlight the understanding of non-Naturalists as well). -- Lionel