From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Oct 05 13:32:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 5 Oct 2002 20:32:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 22597 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2002 20:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2002 20:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2002 20:32:47 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17xveu-0008SD-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:36:20 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17xve6-0008Rv-00; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:35:30 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17xve2-0008Rm-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:35:26 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g95KdTGZ014010 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 15:39:29 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g95KdTTa014009 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 15:39:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 15:39:29 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: a new kind of fundamentalism Message-ID: <20021005203929.GB13575@allusion.net> References: <20021005112031.G26784@miranda.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qcHopEYAB45HaUaB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 1937 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --qcHopEYAB45HaUaB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 09:07:51PM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > Jay: [...] > > There is no reason or need for people to run around changing Lojban.=20 >=20 > There's reason to run around changing Lojban, and there's reason to > not run around changing Lojban. I agree that brand recognition matters > much more for an unchanging version trying to attract learners. So way don't you start calling your modifications by a new name? Perhaps even "jboskebau"? You could then make any changes you want with a much smaller amount of oposition. > > People who want to change things, rather > > than work out problems with ill-defined portions of Lojban, should go > > play with Lojban2 or Andban or something, using Lojban as a base, but > > not calling it 'Lojban'. The name is of no consequence to those parties= , > > but 'brand recognition' is key to growing the speaker base. >=20 > I agree. Since the baseline was imposed, I have never tried to change > the baseline -- at least not as far as I can recall. I've even said > in several places that I'm opposed to officially changing the baseline. You have said that, yes. However, have you not also said "I am in favour of anything that subverts the baseline, on the grounds that I see no virtue in it except the simple fact that 99% of Lojbanists wanted it." (From your wiki page). I suppose someone could've been writing there and pretending to be you, but that just seems so much like something you would say, despite the apparent contraditions :) [...] --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --qcHopEYAB45HaUaB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9n04BDrrilS51AZ8RAgjVAKCLw9bm4MO0ZcrEin3KKaiSBEDahgCgio+/ 0I1a2VXKFy5gCBda+db1784= =G7be -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qcHopEYAB45HaUaB--