From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun Oct 06 17:06:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 7 Oct 2002 00:06:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 40376 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2002 00:06:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2002 00:06:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2002 00:06:28 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17yLTN-0006ef-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 06 Oct 2002 17:10:09 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17yLSE-0006df-00; Sun, 06 Oct 2002 17:08:58 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 06 Oct 2002 17:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17yLS9-0006dQ-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 06 Oct 2002 17:08:53 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g970CsGZ030344 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 19:12:54 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g970Csdh030343 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 19:12:54 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 19:12:54 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: a new kind of fundamentalism Message-ID: <20021007001254.GA30147@allusion.net> References: <7a.2df81e83.2ad2266b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZGiS0Q5IWpPtfppv" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7a.2df81e83.2ad2266b@aol.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 1957 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --ZGiS0Q5IWpPtfppv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 07:51:07PM -0400, pycyn@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/6/2002 10:47:07 AM Central Daylight Time,=20 > a.rosta@lycos.co.uk writes: > quoting Jordan: > << > > *Some* cmavo, primarily the ones in UI which just freely modify > > > things could be easily reorganized as a brivla, and in practice are > > > in fact stated that way frequently. (You see gleki leza'i do broda > > > as much as .ui do broda).=20=20 > >> >=20 > This is the oldest screw-up in Lojban (and Loglan before it). People who= =20 > can't tell UI from "I am ... that..." bridi are suffering from the origin= al=20 > malglico and clearly have not yet earned the right to play with the langu= age.=20 > They just need to be gently asked which they really mean (Do you care ho= w I=20 > feel or do you care that ...?) and reminded how to say the one they want.= =20=20 > This is a clear case of the parse (often) not giving the intended meaning= .=20=20 > And all the bad usage in the world will not change that. Ok, I read the above paragraph about 4 times, and I can't make heads or tails of it. Clearly it is intended to be insulting, but you wrote it so poorly I have no idea what you're even complaining about, which just makes it look asinine. However, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you actually *are* talking about *something*, however incoherently. Would you like to try again? --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --ZGiS0Q5IWpPtfppv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9oNGFDrrilS51AZ8RAi2FAJsFlWpD5MUyJ+GmGvTik+bBpDAI2gCfRUjZ OOyrtkwn1nFHVowldVBs850= =F3WE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZGiS0Q5IWpPtfppv--