From gordon.dyke@bluewin.ch Mon Oct 07 10:23:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gordon.dyke@bluewin.ch X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 7 Oct 2002 17:23:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 2386 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2002 17:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2002 17:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta11n.bluewin.ch) (195.186.1.211) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2002 17:23:18 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (213.3.160.171) by mta11n.bluewin.ch (Bluewin AG 6.5.027) id 3DA15CE4000158EC for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:23:14 +0200 Message-ID: <001301c26e26$38a5d580$aba003d5@oemcomputer> To: "jboste" References: <20021007080519.GP4649@digitalkingdom.org> Subject: RLP's .sig Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 18:36:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "G. Dyke" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81437350 X-Yahoo-Profile: gregvdyke > la lojban. jai curmi roda .einai to ku'i so'ada mukti le nu co'a > darlu le'o ki'asai What is this intended to mean? I don't get the jai, unless Robin missed out a se. I grok something like "lojban allows everything [freedom] (but almost all of it starts off an argument [agression])" attitudinals are *not* predicates. le'o means you feel agressive about the fact that usage causes people to take a stance (which is what darlu means : opponent not necessary). Try darlu damba I suppose you might feel lack of constraint/obligation / freedom about the things that lojban allow, but is that what you mean, doi rlp? surely secau [constraint] would be better. A good case for {lo nu} here. Does the first part mean: "Varied lojban usage and expression is possible" or "You can do whatever floats your boat with lojban"? Greg