From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Oct 07 18:05:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 8 Oct 2002 01:05:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 22580 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2002 01:05:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2002 01:05:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2002 01:05:08 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17yiro-0003N1-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:08:56 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17yir6-0003Mi-00; Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:08:12 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17yir2-0003MZ-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:08:08 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g981C2GZ040097 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:12:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g981C2O5040096 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:12:02 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:12:02 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: a new kind of fundamentalism Message-ID: <20021008011202.GA39636@allusion.net> References: <171.1517cb9e.2ad302f1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <171.1517cb9e.2ad302f1@aol.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 1978 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 11:32:01AM -0400, pycyn@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/6/2002 7:07:18 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 > lojban-out@lojban.org writes, quoting pc quoting him: > << > > > This is the oldest screw-up in Lojban (and Loglan before it). People= who=20 > > > can't tell UI from "I am ... that..." bridi are suffering from the=20 > > original=20 > > > malglico and clearly have not yet earned the right to play with the=20 > > language.=20 > > > They just need to be gently asked which they really mean (Do you car= e=20 > > how I=20 > > > feel or do you care that ...?) and reminded how to say the one they w= ant.=20 > >=20=20 > > > This is a clear case of the parse (often) not giving the intended=20 > > meaning.=20=20 > > > And all the bad usage in the world will not change that. > >=20 > > Ok, I read the above paragraph about 4 times, and I can't make heads > > or tails of it. Clearly it is intended to be insulting, but you > > wrote it so poorly I have no idea what you're even complaining > > about, which just makes it look asinine. However, I'll give you > > the benefit of the doubt and assume you actually *are* talking about > > *something*, however incoherently. > >=20 > > Would you like to try again? > >> [zu'o kasta'a] > The rest is just the standard policy for dealing with the error. Ascerta= in=20 > that it was an error, that the user really meant to say the other thing, = and=20 > then gently (two-by- fours are OK after a few recurrences, but dynamite i= s=20 > never appropriate) remind the misuser of the distinction and how to make = it. Ok; I agree that there is a gramatical difference, but not that there is a real semantic difference (except perhaps in which part of the claim is more important (the fact you are happy, or whatever the other claim is))... --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9ojDiDrrilS51AZ8RAhjsAKCKlyLW7IIlJhHiJbvGwXBXgdpkIgCeNlqw mgK1mXgg/vnvFvq4U+YAZ1k= =CM5r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF--