From xod@thestonecutters.net Tue Oct 08 08:26:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 8 Oct 2002 15:26:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 23854 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2002 15:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2002 15:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2002 15:24:40 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17ywHg-00087Z-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:28:32 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17ywH2-00087A-00; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:27:52 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17ywGw-000871-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:27:47 -0700 Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g98FNoB18653 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:23:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:23:50 -0400 (EDT) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Why linguists might be interested in Lojban (was: RE: Re: a new kind of fundamentalism In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021008073822.03323d10@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <20021008112028.N18630-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 1986 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > 2. It fills in the gaps in the language design so that we have a complete > language that can be learned as a language for experimental > purposes. JCB's original "engineering" was so incomplete, that he reported > that the users could not use it - it sort of just "rattled around in their > brains" - there was not enough flesh on the design for the language to be > spoken. We'e spent 40 years since then adding additional design so that it > no longer rattles. But it seems impossible to construct a complete > language, so at some point usage has to fill in the gaps. Interesting idea. What is a complete language? How can tell detect completion? > We cannot expect more than incidental mention of Lojban until we get people > willing to spend money and time doing Lojban research at more than the > hobbyist level. We're also unlikely to get any major research results from > the language so long as it wholly a spare time endeavor. The incidental > mentions we've been getting serve to establish credibility that warrants > serious expenditure, but is not the end in itself. What if hobbyists could achieve L1 fluency? -- Before Sept. 11 there was not the present excited talk about a strike on Iraq. There is no evidence of any connection between Iraq and that act of terrorism. Why would that event change the situation? -- Howard Zinn