From jcowan@reutershealth.com Tue Oct 08 14:40:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 8 Oct 2002 21:40:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 59329 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2002 21:40:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2002 21:40:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2002 21:40:40 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17z29Z-00088y-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 14:44:33 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17z28v-00086F-00; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 14:43:53 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 08 Oct 2002 14:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [65.246.141.151] (helo=mail2.reutershealth.com) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17z28s-00083s-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 14:43:50 -0700 Received: from skunk.reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@[10.65.117.21]) by mail2.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA08268; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200210082150.RAA08268@mail2.reutershealth.com> Received: by skunk.reutershealth.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:38:33 -0400 Subject: [lojban] Re: Why linguists might be interested in Lojban (was: RE: Re: a new kind of fundamentalism To: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Cc: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <3DA345AE.5060103@bilkent.edu.tr> from "Robin Turner" at Oct 08, 2002 11:53:02 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1993 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: John Cowan Reply-To: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8122456 X-Yahoo-Profile: john_w_cowan Robin Turner scripsit: > The two Lojbanisms that really caught on amongst the players > were "mabla" (correct usage) and "le do mamta cu gerku" (incorrect, in > canonical Lojban). Well, it's *false*, but that doesn't mean it doesn't communicate. When GWB says that Iran and Iraq form part of a (transnational) axis, what he says is surely false (they fought a 10-year war not so long ago, after all), but it communicates something nevertheless. This is a great example of why I think the semantics/pragmatics split is intellectually pernicious. "Big Brother is ungood." --blasphemy in Newspeak -- John Cowan jcowan@reutershealth.com www.reutershealth.com ccil.org/~cowan Dievas dave dantis; Dievas duos duonos --Lithuanian proverb Deus dedit dentes; deus dabit panem --Latin version thereof Deity donated dentition; deity'll donate doughnuts --English version by Muke Tever