From xod@thestonecutters.net Tue Oct 08 20:13:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 9 Oct 2002 03:13:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 61833 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2002 03:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2002 03:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2002 03:13:33 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17z7Lj-0004uJ-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 20:17:27 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17z7LC-0004tu-00; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 20:16:54 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 08 Oct 2002 20:16:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17z7L7-0004tV-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 20:16:49 -0700 Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g993Cof21609 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:12:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:12:50 -0400 (EDT) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] The Future Jbotreya (was: Why linguists might be interested in Lojban (was: a new kind of fundamentalism)) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021008145728.00a8e2a0@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <20021008230055.H21545-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 2021 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > You can detect incompleteness. Is Lojban incomplete? > In terms of current Lojban, my guess is that a level 4 person, when > confronted by ANY "how to say it" question that is worthy of weeks of > jboske debate would know the answer off the top of his head, and it would > be unarguably correct. (A level 5 speaker could come up with multiple ways > to say it and explain the pros and cons and nuances of each in terms that > everyone would recognize as unarguably correct Isn't it exciting to imagine such a thing? However, the L4 and L5 le ba jbopre would issue answers that le ca jbopre might be intimidated into believing, but that would run afoul of certain current opinions. For the le ba jbopre will have learned a purified Lojban that has found resolutions to questions that are outstanding, and would know the historically successful answers to controversies, but not be able to necessarily convince naysayers. -- Before Sept. 11 there was not the present excited talk about a strike on Iraq. There is no evidence of any connection between Iraq and that act of terrorism. Why would that event change the situation? -- Howard Zinn