From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Wed Oct 09 09:41:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 9 Oct 2002 16:41:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 6835 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2002 16:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2002 16:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2002 16:41:32 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17zJxj-0002uy-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 09:45:31 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17zJx7-0002uQ-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 09:44:53 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 09 Oct 2002 09:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from com1.uclan.ac.uk ([193.61.255.3]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17zJx3-0002uC-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 09:44:49 -0700 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Wed, 9 Oct 2002 17:08:19 +0100 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 17:41:43 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 17:41:14 +0100 To: lojban-list Subject: [lojban] Re: [Announcement] The Alice Translation Has Moved And Changed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline X-archive-position: 2032 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: And Rosta Reply-To: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810630 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin Jordan: #situation where it *is* simply correcting an error. In long debates held in the past, it emerged that Lojban Central's policy was Let Usage Decide (or Let A Thousand Flowers Bloom for the maoists). The idea was there would be no official prescriptions regulating usage, and that the language would emerge out of the melee of usage like organisms from the primeval soup. That is, if one thought that such and such a feature of Lojban was broken, then one should respond by adding to one's usage a mended version of the feature, and collective usage would determine whether it was useful enough to catch on. So (and note that I am not flaming here) when you and Jay come along saying it is sinful to violate the baseline in one's usage, this is a clear deviation from what at one time was the relatively consensual position of the community. In saying this, I mean only to point out that what xorxes does was formerly generally held to constitute Right and Proper behaviour of the good lojbanist. #"re ji'i ci" #means twenty-three, where the digit "3" has been rounded. Not "twenty plus three-or-so"? Wouldn't "23 rounded" (= some number between 22.5 and 23.5) be "re ci ji'i"? --And.