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Subject: Fw: [lojban] Alice style and finalisation (was:The Alice Translation Has Moved And Changed)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "G. Dyke" <gordon.dyke@bluewin.ch>
To: "Jorge Llambias" <jjllambias@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Alice style and finalisation (was:The Alice
Translation Has Moved And Changed)


>
> cu'u la xorxes
>
> > >- I also feel we should strive for some sort of logical correctness, in
> > >particular saying "zukte fi zi'o" rather than "zukte fi noda".
> > ><change of heart>
> > >That particular example, I now consider as correct, as it means "I
don't
> > >{zukte} because I don't have a {te zukte}", which rather acurately
> > >translates "having nothing to do".
> >
> > Yes. I'm not very happy with it, but I couldn't think of
> > anything better.
>
> As I was trying to say, this is probably a very accurate translation of
the
> intension of the English. People who have nothing to do, usually do
nothing.
>
> > >But in general, such constructions are
> > >not correct, because they create an unintended negative sentence which
> does
> > >not fully express what we want to say. Along the same vein is potential
> > >inclusion of ce'u in all ka, and maybe some sort of rigour in NU-gadri.
> >
> > We should not make a tabu of {noda} just because it is a negation
> > though!
>
> Obviously, I was just using noda as an example. I might say mi tavla noda
> when I'm on irc (meaning that nobody's reading what I'm saying) the real
> lojban for that should be mi tavla zi'o
>
> > >- Excessive use of selma'o UI whenever possible
> >
> > Do you mean avoid excessive use, or encourage their use?
> >
> Encourage it, particularly those which are less often used. I'd like to
> think that excessive use of UI might balance out the lack of current usage
> through their not often being part of the original English.
>
> mu'o mi'e greg
>