From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Oct 09 11:00:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 9 Oct 2002 18:00:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 13498 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2002 17:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2002 17:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2002 17:58:07 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17zL9q-0003ky-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 11:02:06 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17zL9J-0003gb-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 11:01:33 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 09 Oct 2002 11:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rlpowell by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17zL9F-0003gO-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 11:01:29 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:01:29 -0700 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Standard Lojban (was: The Alice Translation Has Moved And Changed) (fwd) Message-ID: <20021009180129.GQ4649@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20021009172908.GI4649@digitalkingdom.org> <20021009134803.X23951-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021009134803.X23951-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 2049 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 01:53:00PM -0400, Invent Yourself wrote: > While I'm at it I might as well mention a habit that I think makes > Lojban simpler, easier for students (most of us!), and remains well > within the bounds of Standard Lojban. It is the eschewing of selbri > SE. The places are hard enough to remember as they are, without the > conversions. And there are ways to announce focus that are more > lojbanic: ba'e, and UI. > > In general, I think these collaborative and official documents should > be written with the goal of being as "flat" as possible. Huh. Is that really easier for people? It doesn't help me one way or the other at all. But then, I don't have place structures memorized, in general. I certainly don't mind doing it, but in a lot of places it's done because an attempt is being made to imitate the English. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ http://www.lojban.org/ la lojban. jai curmi roda .einai to ku'i so'ada mukti le nu co'a darlu le'o -- RLP I'm a *male* Robin.