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Subject: [lojban] eschewing SE (was: RE: Re: Standard Lojban (was: The Alice Translation HasMoved And Changed) (fwd)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 02:22:43 +0100
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From: "And Rosta" <a.rosta@lycos.co.uk>
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Xod:
> While I'm at it I might as well mention a habit that I think makes Lojban
> simpler, easier for students (most of us!), and remains well within the
> bounds of Standard Lojban. It is the eschewing of selbri SE. The places
> are hard enough to remember as they are, without the conversions. And
> there are ways to announce focus that are more lojbanic: ba'e, and UI.

I feel the same, but if you want to eschew it completely then its use in 
a sumti tail, {le se broda}, will have to be replaced by {poi'i}/{se ka}, 
{le poi'i (ke'a) broda}/{le se ka ce'u broda}, each of which is 
unofficial.

--And.






