From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Oct 09 22:41:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 10 Oct 2002 05:41:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 7294 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2002 05:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2002 05:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2002 05:41:40 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17zW8W-000113-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 22:45:28 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17zW5p-0000zn-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 22:42:41 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 09 Oct 2002 22:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miranda.org ([209.58.150.153] ident=qmailr) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17zW5j-0000zF-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 22:42:35 -0700 Received: (qmail 29897 invoked by uid 534); 10 Oct 2002 05:38:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:38:15 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: [Announcement] The Alice Translation Has Moved And Changed Message-ID: <20021009233815.E3704@miranda.org> References: <00e601c26fc1$e035f900$8f9fca3e@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from a.rosta@lycos.co.uk on Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 02:33:02AM +0100 X-archive-position: 2101 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jkominek@miranda.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jay F Kominek From: Jay F Kominek Reply-To: jkominek@miranda.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 02:33:02AM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > Greg: > > I no longer like dots, but I put every {i} at the start of a new line to > > compensate. I do think alice should have her dots back. I really detest > > seeing quotation marks and question marks in Lojban > > I dislike that convention (starting sentences on new lines) because it > violates centuries of established typographical tradition. Instead I > insert two or three spaces before {i}. The extra whitespace serves > as a visual cue to the sentence boundaries, while at the same time > respecting typographical tradition and keeping violations of > audiovisual isomorphism to a minimum. Typographic tradition is per-language, or at least per-language family. Lojban has none. Lojban has inherited none. If arbitrary typographic traditions are acceptable, then there is every reason to assert that we ought to be writing it top to bottom right to left, like the kanji-using languages. Or maybe you meant to say "western european typographic tradition". Or "typographic tradition that suits me". -- Jay Kominek Reality is what refuses to go away when you stop believing in it.