From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Oct 10 20:52:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 11 Oct 2002 03:52:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 19079 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2002 03:52:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2002 03:52:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2002 03:52:06 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17zquM-0004f0-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:56:14 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17zqtp-0004eW-00; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:55:41 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17zqtk-0004eL-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:55:37 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g9B3xUGZ071935 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:59:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g9B3xUHc071934 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:59:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:59:30 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: ka'enai Message-ID: <20021011035930.GD70303@allusion.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="yudcn1FV7Hsu/q59" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 2152 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --yudcn1FV7Hsu/q59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 12:51:00PM +1000, Nick Nicholas wrote: [...] > Allow me to equivocate. >=20 > (1) Humans impose patterns on grammars. If you've been told that CAhA=20 > is a tense as much as pu and fa'a; if you've seen that every single=20 > other tense has NAI; if you see no logical reason why you wouldn't=20 > say CAhA NAI, then of course you'll say CAhA NAI. I did. But CAhA *isn't* actually the same as all other tenses. And neither is fa'a the same as pu. You can't say "puzifa'abaca'apu". ca'a *must* be at the end of the string of words in simple-tense-modal. There are rules about where all the different tense-type words can go as well. VA and ZA and ZE'A can't take NAI either. I don't think this was something which was simply forgotten. But it is nonimportant anyway: it's better to have an imperfect language than no language at all. Stability is neccesary. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --yudcn1FV7Hsu/q59 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9pkyiDrrilS51AZ8RAvmDAJ0Q2FnjjSzA9aPkIYn0uw5uAVq5QgCg0dkr SeIvwZzjOq0qVRLcvjn9w2U= =AlFr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --yudcn1FV7Hsu/q59--