From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Oct 11 17:18:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 12 Oct 2002 00:18:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 79893 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2002 00:18:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2002 00:18:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2002 00:18:42 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 180A3V-0003f9-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:22:57 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 180A2w-0003es-00; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:22:22 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 180A2s-0003ej-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:22:18 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g9C0Q7GZ077915 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:26:07 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g9C0Q7UW077914 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:26:07 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:26:07 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Usage deciding (was: RE: Re: [Announcement] The Alice Translation Has Moved And Changed Message-ID: <20021012002607.GB77718@allusion.net> References: <20021011023840.GA70303@allusion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LyciRD1jyfeSSjG0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 2165 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --LyciRD1jyfeSSjG0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 12:12:47AM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > Jordan: > > On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 01:50:56AM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > > > Lojbab: > > > > You and And seem to be the primary innovators who KNOW that you are= =20 > > > > acting against the baseline. > > >=20 > > > That's probably true, but I don't think much of my activity is contra= ry > > > to the baseline. There is universal agreement that CLL is wrong in pl= aces > > > (or near-universal agreement, I had better say, now that Jordan has > > > joined the community), so either mere deviance from CLL is not necess= arily > > > acting against the baseline, or else there is universal agreement to > > > act against the baseline. > > [...] > >=20 > > For the record this doesn't reflect my viewpoint.=20=20 >=20 > Which bit doesn't? The claim that I believe CLL is correct about everything. What I *actually* believe, is that it is correct in everything that it doesn't contradict itself or other baselined material. [...] > xorxes's ji'i is a relative extreme case of deviance. (If I were xorxes > I'd use experimental cmavo instead of deviantly reusing cmavo I thought > broken.) I commend you for that. Experimental cmavo are *far* preferable to deliberatly breaking baselined stuff. (Though true stability would be preferable to either, of course. ;P ) --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --LyciRD1jyfeSSjG0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9p2wfDrrilS51AZ8RAmXUAKDRV3heyrSef+dU0ddKeECRFm87uACgjhOj akzclYbvQ4BSQ9e8Ju/kyfw= =PxOV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LyciRD1jyfeSSjG0--