From jjllambias@hotmail.com Tue Oct 15 13:35:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 15 Oct 2002 20:35:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 48784 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2002 20:35:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2002 20:35:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.237) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2002 20:35:16 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:35:16 -0700 Received: from 200.49.74.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:35:16 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] brivla for 'intend' Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:35:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Oct 2002 20:35:16.0813 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F02E7D0:01C2748A] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.49.74.2] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la and cusku di'e >What is the best brivla for "x intends that p, x intends to p", given that >intention does not entail action (or deliberate inaction) and that, ba'e >ti'e, >intention is a psychological primitive (i.e. doesn't reduce to a complex of >other notions)? I tend to use {zukte fi} for lack of a better option, but it is certainly a gap in the vocabulary. >{selzilterzukte} is a bit of a mouthful, and won't easily crunch down to >form >other lujvo, and furthermore, what one's goals are is not quite the same as >what >one intends. For example, one can intend something whose natural tendency >is to >occur unless actively prevented, so long as one decides not to prevent it. >But I >wouldn't describe that as one's goal. We could rationalize it as: mi zukte le nu mi cando kei ko'a. I think {zukte} is one of those gismu that kills two concepts with one bloating. Both {zukte fe zi'o} and {zukte fi zi'o} would be useful words. People end up using {gasnu} for {zukte fi zi'o}, which in my opinion is wrong. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp