From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Thu Oct 17 05:45:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 17 Oct 2002 12:45:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 39296 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2002 12:44:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2002 12:44:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2002 12:44:59 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 182A62-0006pP-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 05:49:50 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 182A5N-0006p8-00; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 05:49:09 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 17 Oct 2002 05:49:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from com1.uclan.ac.uk ([193.61.255.3]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 182A5F-0006oz-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 05:49:05 -0700 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:10:10 +0100 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:43:53 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:43:43 +0100 To: lojban-list Subject: [lojban] Re: zil Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline X-archive-position: 2238 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: And Rosta Reply-To: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810630 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin Theodore Reed (rizen/bancus) : > How exactly does the rafsi zil work? zilpavbroda = zi'o zei pa zei broda :: broda fa zi'o zilcibybroda = zi'o zei ci zei broda :: broda fe zi'o zilmumbroda = zi'o zei mu zei broda :: broda fu zi'o The meaning/effect of zi'o itself turns out to be a tad controversial. According to me, it serves to redefine the selbri so that it needn't express a relation in which the zihoed place plays a part. An example: pikta x1 is a ticket entitling x2 to entitlement/privilege x3 under conditions x4 zilpikta (< zilpavypikta) x1 has right/entitlement/privilege x2 under conditions x3 --And.