From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Oct 17 08:42:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 17 Oct 2002 15:42:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 73858 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2002 15:40:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2002 15:40:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2002 15:40:54 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 182CqH-0007Oy-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:45:45 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 182Cph-0007OO-00; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:45:09 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.30.24]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 182Cpd-0007OF-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:45:05 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A17E612BBC for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:40:08 +0300 (EEST) Received: from bilkent.edu.tr (ppp7.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.111.9]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27EA12B4C for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:40:05 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <3DAEDB47.8070102@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:46:15 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: enlighten References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020300 X-archive-position: 2242 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Turner From: Robin Turner Reply-To: robin@bilkent.edu.tr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out Viktoro wrote: > I could not find "enlighten" in the lists... > > I thought of combining "light" with "conscious" as > in . > > Is that a good lujvo? > > Are there other possibilities? > > co'o mi'e viktor. Using gusni would be unacceptable metaphor, I think. It may be the case that most (maybe all?) cultures use the KNOWING IS SEEING metaphor, but that won't work in Lojban - you could probably get away with a metaphorical use of gusni in a text (come to think of it, I've used that same gismu in that way myself), but lujvo are more problematic. Lujvo, like tanru, are metaphorical by definition, but in a rather more restricted sense of "metaphorical"; i.e. in using "gu'isanji" you are saying that someone is aware of something in a way that is related to photons. Which lujvo you choose to make depends on what sense of the word "enlighten" you want. "sajgau" is a possibility - "cause to become aware". robin.tr