From xod@thestonecutters.net Thu Oct 17 13:44:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 17 Oct 2002 20:44:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 64937 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2002 20:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2002 20:44:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2002 20:44:24 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 182Ha1-0008KG-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:49:17 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 182HZT-0008Jx-00; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:48:43 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 182HZN-0008Jd-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:48:37 -0700 Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9HKhhU75380 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:43:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:43:43 -0400 (EDT) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: brivla for 'intend' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021017163556.C73598-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 2252 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, And Rosta wrote: > xod: > > ..oiru'e vu'enairu'edai mu'i ma do du'eroi sisku le ka ce'u satci velfanva > > be fi le banrglico goi G > > If I'm translating, that's part of what translation involves. Also, I > like to feel that in certain key things (such as 'logicality') Lojban > is at least as good as English. But in this particular instance, as > I tried to make clear in my message, the reason was la'e zoi zoi ba'e > ti'e, intention is a psychological primitive (i.e. doesn't reduce to > a complex of other notions) zoi .i go'i fi'o catni ma > > ..i pe'i xamgu fa le du'u da poi valsi fi le lojbo cu na'eka'e satci mapti > > de poi valsi fi G ku'o soi > > I quite agree. I certainly wouldn't expect Lojban to be able to lexically > distinguish the nuanced distinctions among, say, dweebs, nerds, berks > and twerps. But I would expect Lojban vocab to cover the basic range > of concepts one needs for ordinary communication, especially those > that aren't readily nameable by lujvo or fuhivla. > > > .i ganai na go'i gi L na vlipa .i pe'a drata ke > > smuni selci ve'e le sidbo canlu > > That's all well and good, but (a) if there's a concept I can express > in English, I'd like to be able to express it in Lojban too, and it > is legitimate to wonder whether one must resort to fuhivla in such > cases, and (b) I'm here talking about expressing basic translinguistic > concepts here, on a level analogous with, say, {troci}. gu pu'i galfi le selbangu be G le selbangu be L gi da pavmapti de -- Henry McCullers, an affable Plano, TX-area anti-Semite, praised the Jewish people Monday for doing "a bang-up job" running the media. "This has been such a great year for movies, and the new crop of fall TV shows looks to be one of the best in years," McCullers said. "And the cable news channels are doing a terrific job, too. Admittedly, they're not reporting on the Jewish stranglehold on world finance, but, hey, that's understandable."