From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Oct 17 16:46:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 17 Oct 2002 23:46:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 40547 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2002 23:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2002 23:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2002 23:46:20 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 182KQ5-0000eo-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:51:13 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 182KPS-0000eX-00; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:50:35 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.30.24]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 182KPO-0000eO-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:50:30 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4EC12BBA for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 02:45:34 +0300 (EEST) Received: from bilkent.edu.tr (ppp145.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.111.145]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F0B812B9D for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 02:45:31 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <3DAF4D0D.20500@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 02:51:41 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: enlighten References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020300 X-archive-position: 2255 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Turner From: Robin Turner Reply-To: robin@bilkent.edu.tr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out Craig wrote: >>Using gusni would be unacceptable metaphor, I think. It may be the case >>that most (maybe all?) cultures use the KNOWING IS SEEING metaphor, but > > > I've been told that all IE cultures use this metaphor, while Afro-Asiatic > cultures prefer HEARING IS KNOWING ("Hear, o Israel..."), while some > cultures eschew metaphor entirely. > (Se non e vero, e ben trovato). > I can't imagine a culture eschewing metaphor entirely. Do you have any examples? robin.tr