From a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Fri Oct 18 06:42:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 18 Oct 2002 13:42:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 77157 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2002 13:42:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2002 13:42:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2002 13:42:00 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 182XSr-0002vP-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 06:46:57 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 182XRd-0002uW-00; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 06:45:41 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 18 Oct 2002 06:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox-13.st1.spray.net ([212.78.202.113]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 182XRY-0002uB-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 06:45:36 -0700 Received: from oemcomputer (host213-121-71-197.surfport24.v21.co.uk [213.121.71.197]) by mailbox-13.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C3E345B37 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:39:57 +0200 (DST) To: "lojban-list" Subject: [lojban] Re: zil Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:41:38 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <02101723194601.28717@neofelis> X-archive-position: 2267 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: "And Rosta" Reply-To: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122260811 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin pier: > On Thursday 17 October 2002 08:43, And Rosta wrote: > li'o > > An example: > > > > pikta > > x1 is a ticket entitling x2 to entitlement/privilege x3 under conditions x4 > > > > zilpikta (< zilpavypikta) > > x1 has right/entitlement/privilege x2 under conditions x3 > > I would normally use {zilbroda} for {broda fexiny zi'o} with n>1, what n is > depending on the meaning of broda. So zilselcmi = zilrelselcmi = set (a thing > which has members, except it might not because it could be the empty set). pe'i, deviation from strict jvajvo principles for the sake of brevity should not itself be constrained by further principles, except the general principle that the shrunk lujvo does not block any other meaning with a better claim to be the meaning of the lujvo. In the current instance, then, {zilpikta} could correspond to zilpavypikta, zilrelpikta, zilcibypikta, or zilvonpikta. Whichever of these four is the Coolest (i.e. the most zabna) has the right to be equivalent to {zilpikta}. --And.