From pycyn@aol.com Fri Oct 18 06:49:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 18 Oct 2002 13:49:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 5824 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2002 13:49:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2002 13:49:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2002 13:49:18 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id r.10f.18b905b6 (3924) for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <10f.18b905b6.2ae16b56@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:49:10 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: enlighten To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10f.18b905b6.2ae16b56_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra --part1_10f.18b905b6.2ae16b56_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/18/2002 5:27:39 AM Central Daylight Time, lojban-out@lojban.org writes: << > One possibility would be to concentrate on the perceived loss of ego in > such states of consciousness. "nalse'i menli" perhaps? >> Well yes, except for the major schools which claim that what they achieve is maximization of the ego -- "I embrace the universe" cases. Maybe "loss of the false ego" but even this is not universal among such schools (and, of course, we may be talking about two or twenty different things, though, since Stace and [draw blank though I took classes from him, as I did from Stace], the view seems to have come back to "the same experiences through different lenses" school.) --part1_10f.18b905b6.2ae16b56_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/18/2002 5:27:39 AM Central Daylight Time, lojban-out@lojban.org writes:

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One possibility would be to concentrate on the perceived loss of ego in
such states of consciousness. "nalse'i menli" perhaps?

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Well yes, except for the major schools which claim that what they achieve is maximization of the ego -- "I embrace the universe" cases. Maybe "loss of the false ego" but even this is not universal among such schools (and, of course, we may be talking about two or twenty different things, though, since Stace and [draw blank though I took classes from him, as I did from Stace], the view seems to have come back to "the same experiences through different lenses" school.)
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