From Pycyn@xxx.xxx Thu Dec 9 02:08:30 1999 X-Digest-Num: 305 Message-ID: <44114.305.1676.959273825@eGroups.com> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 05:08:30 EST From: Pycyn@xxx.xxx Subject: More about questions and the like (was:What I have for dinner...") The "for all x, if x went to the party then John knows that x went to the party (perhaps with a relative completeness guarantee or something like "and if x did not go to the party then John does not believe that x went to the party") has to be used with care. One should not infer from it that, if Paul went to the party, John knows that Paul went to the party, at least in the sense that if John is asked "Did Paul go to the party?" he will say yes, even if he is being as cooperative as possible. the problem is the intensionality of "know," for John may not know Paul under the name "Paul" and may even know him under the mistaken guise "Bill's father" (when he is actually Joan's father). To be sure, the quantifier outside the context guarantees that the generality is indifferent to the disguises, but the individual cases have no such obvious external connection. We need either explicitly write "under some concepty" somewhere here or flag the cases with the opposite of subject raising (which I think Lojban has). The set-of-answers version of questions does not work so well in this case, unless the questions are subdivided into identity classes and all that is required is that John know at least one member of each of the appropriate classes. A couple pages on from this point in the Handbook of Philosophic (i.e., freaky) Logic is the reminder that every natural language sentence is a dependent of a (usually unexpressed) performative, usually "I tell you that" or some such. However, some of these performatives may also be intensional, in which case every term in the surface sentence is in that cloud-cuckoo-land where Leibnitz's law fails along with existential generalization and universal instantiation. In particular, sentences mentioning non-existent objects which are nonetheless held to be true are under performative like "I now recite to you a bit of myth that..." This being the case (and it sure solves a lot of problems), Lojban needs to dig into its small stock of unused cmavo for a flag of this sort for when context is not enough. Remembering that the term-length flag of this sort is something like tu'a, I suggest the corresponding x form, xu'a. this refers to a different enduring problem form ages past. pc