From a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Wed Oct 23 08:35:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 23 Oct 2002 15:35:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 13746 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2002 15:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2002 15:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailbox-15.st1.spray.net) (212.78.202.115) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2002 15:35:52 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (host213-121-67-55.surfport24.v21.co.uk [213.121.67.55]) by mailbox-15.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 896C620F36 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:35:48 +0200 (DST) To: Subject: RE: [lojban] brivla for 'patient' Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:37:28 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122260811 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin Xorxes: > la and cusku di'e > > >What might a suitable brivla be for 'patient' in the technical > >linguistics sense, expressed in English by > >"x1 does x2 to x3" > >"x1 treats x2 (in manner x3)" > >"x1 affects x2 (without necessarily causing x2 to change)"? > > > >I haven't been able to find anything halfway decent > > Maybe something with {lifri}: > > lifri: x2 happens to x1 > frigau: x1 makes x3 happen to x2 > selfrizu'e: x1 does x2 to x3 with goal x4 > selfrizilcibzu'e: x1 does x2 to x3 Patients needn't be sentient. Does a lifri have to be sentient? Can we say: What happened to the door? It lifri my kicking it. without claiming that the door is sentient? If so, then problem solved. --And.