From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Oct 24 12:00:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 24 Oct 2002 19:00:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 55632 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2002 19:00:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2002 19:00:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2002 19:00:04 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 184nIW-00015X-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:05:36 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 184nHt-00015A-00; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:04:57 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout1.netvision.net.il ([194.90.9.20]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 184nHp-00014w-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:04:53 -0700 Received: from default ([62.0.148.37]) by mxout1.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.8 (built Jul 12 2002)) with SMTP id <0H4I00ME821REA@mxout1.netvision.net.il> for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:58:41 +0200 (IST) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:58:27 +0200 Subject: [lojban] Re: la ogYsty. To: "lojban-list@lojban.org" Message-id: <0H4I00ME921SEA@mxout1.netvision.net.il> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Foxmail 4.1 [eg] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2311 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: araizen@cs.huji.ac.il Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Adam Raizen From: Adam Raizen Reply-To: araizen@cs.huji.ac.il X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out de'i li 2002-10-24 ti'u li 15:45:00 la and. cusku di'e >I am having difficulty in working out how {la .ogYsty.} can misparse >in such a way as to make it illicit. I can't find any way of >breaking it down into smaller chunks. > >Other examples: > > la .olbyni. > la cropcy. > la kadiu. > la to,ori. > >The same question goes for {la stylanan.} and {la stailanan}. > >Given that we want want the phonological structure of cmevla to >be as unconstrained as possible, was there any reason why the >rule wasn't something like "break the string up into pause- >delimited chunks, and then parse those chunks into the >smallest possible licit words"? There's probably nothing wrong with 'la stylanan'; 'la' embedded within a name after a 'y' is in the same class as embedded after a consonant: you can't have a word break there without a pause, though I don't think that CLL explicitly allows it. 'la stailanan' would probably break up as 'lastai la nan.' ("It plastic-shapes South"?) As for the rest, I think the motivation is that it gives simple and easy to check-for rules, while at the same time allowing names to stay relatively close to their original shape. If the rule were "anything which is not a brivla or a cmavo and cannot be broken down into one is a valid cmene", it would be significantly more difficult to check whether a given cmene is valid, and you probably couldn't do it on-the-fly in most cases. mu'o mi'e .adam.