From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Oct 24 13:39:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 24 Oct 2002 20:39:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 546 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2002 20:39:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2002 20:39:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2002 20:39:27 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 184oqo-0001Xb-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:45:06 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 184oqG-0001XK-00; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:44:32 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miranda.org ([209.58.150.153] ident=qmailr) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 184oqC-0001X8-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:44:28 -0700 Received: (qmail 20388 invoked by uid 534); 24 Oct 2002 20:38:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:38:47 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: la ogYsty. Message-ID: <20021024143847.A26618@miranda.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from a.rosta@lycos.co.uk on Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 03:45:51PM +0100 X-archive-position: 2312 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jkominek@miranda.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jay F Kominek From: Jay F Kominek Reply-To: jkominek@miranda.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 03:45:51PM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > I am having difficulty in working out how {la .ogYsty.} can misparse > in such a way as to make it illicit. By not ending in a consonant. > The same question goes for {la stylanan.} and {la stailanan}. By having 'la' in them. > Given that we want want the phonological structure of cmevla to > be as unconstrained as possible, "Must end in a consonant, can't contain la/lai/doi" is pretty damned unconstrained. I suppose the consonant clusters can't be too ungodly, and you're limited to the sounds Lojban, but you've got to draw the line somewhere. It is unreasonable to expect or require that a foreign language be able to render every possible name. I don't see you demanding that clicks be allowed in names, after all. > was there any reason why the rule wasn't something like "break the > string up into pause- delimited chunks, and then parse those chunks > into the smallest possible licit words"? The rule is really quite simple, unless you refuse to accept it, (which you seem to be doing) in which case we can't do anything for you. As someone who'd actually be able to render their (first) name more accurately if the consonantly ending rule were dropped, I'm still all for it. I didn't sign up with Lojban so I could keep my name (or any one else's) unmolested. I thought you were going to keep jboske silliness on the jboske list, too. "I'm going to ignore a CLEARLY STATED RULE and then complain about it to the mailing list" is pretty clearly a little jboske "lets fiddle with existing unambiguous parts of the language" game. -- Jay Kominek Don't worry, Things have an annoying tendency to work out.