From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Oct 26 22:58:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 27 Oct 2002 05:58:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 93827 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2002 05:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2002 05:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2002 05:58:31 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 185gXC-0001gN-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 23:04:26 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 185gWc-0001g0-00; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 23:03:50 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 26 Oct 2002 23:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 185gWY-0001fo-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 23:03:46 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g9R63C9B062395 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 01:03:12 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g9R63CGg062394 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 01:03:12 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 01:03:12 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Reverse of ne'i? Message-ID: <20021027060312.GA62141@allusion.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 2327 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 12:40:24AM +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote: > la camgusmis cusku di'e > >There seems to be no tense for 'outside'. >=20 > Probably {ne'inai}. {ne'inai} is contrary negation. It simply says "it is false that it is within", just like a na. This goes for PU and FAhA alike, and there's an example specifically regarding this (ne'inai) in the book (chap 10, ex 18.3). This may or may not be sufficent for the use camgusmis was looking for... > But you can always use {fi'o se bartu}. > {ne'i} is {fi'o se nenri}. Note that NAhE are fine even on floating tenses, so you can also use {to'e ne'i} to mean outside. (There's also an example of this in the book; 18.6 same chap) mu'o --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9u4GgDrrilS51AZ8RAtmsAKCJdYkQWeOzx2aMjGgqLyfnyIwM6QCfT4zq 0ClThI4UQTc/7Q9yyitf4Aw= =Lpv0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl--