From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun Oct 27 11:35:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 27 Oct 2002 19:35:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 70753 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2002 19:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2002 19:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2002 19:35:49 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 185tIC-0004rY-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:41:48 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 185tHc-0004rB-00; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:41:12 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:41:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 185tHZ-0004r2-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:41:09 -0800 Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:41:09 -0800 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Reverse of ne'i? Message-ID: <20021027194109.GX6599@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20021027060312.GA62141@allusion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021027060312.GA62141@allusion.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 2330 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out Cool. Thanks. -Robin On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 01:03:12AM -0500, Jordan DeLong wrote: > On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 12:40:24AM +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote: > > la camgusmis cusku di'e > > >There seems to be no tense for 'outside'. > > > > Probably {ne'inai}. > > {ne'inai} is contrary negation. It simply says "it is false that > it is within", just like a na. This goes for PU and FAhA alike, > and there's an example specifically regarding this (ne'inai) in the > book (chap 10, ex 18.3). > > This may or may not be sufficent for the use camgusmis was looking > for... > > > But you can always use {fi'o se bartu}. > > {ne'i} is {fi'o se nenri}. > > Note that NAhE are fine even on floating tenses, so you can also > use {to'e ne'i} to mean outside. (There's also an example of this > in the book; 18.6 same chap) > > mu'o > -- > Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net > lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u > sei la mark. tuen. cusku -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ http://www.lojban.org/ la lojban. jai curmi roda .einai to ku'i so'ada mukti le nu co'a darlu le'o -- RLP I'm a *male* Robin.