From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Oct 28 15:05:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 28 Oct 2002 23:05:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 75315 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2002 23:05:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2002 23:05:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2002 23:05:52 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 186IxE-0003WK-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:05:52 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 186IxB-0003W3-00; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:05:49 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:05:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 186Ix7-0003Vu-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:05:45 -0800 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g9SNBG9B074383 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:11:16 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g9SNBGdn074382 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:11:16 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:11:16 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Non-logical (incidental) "if"? Message-ID: <20021028231116.GB73625@allusion.net> References: <200210282232.RAA20836@mail2.reutershealth.com> <3DBDCBC3.8060401@bilkent.edu.tr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="eAbsdosE1cNLO4uF" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3DBDCBC3.8060401@bilkent.edu.tr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 2354 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --eAbsdosE1cNLO4uF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 01:44:03AM +0200, Robin Turner wrote: > John Cowan wrote: > >Randall Nortman scripsit: > >> I'm going to the store if you want to come along. [...] > > > >I like "mi klama le zarci .iju do klama". The force of the English > >"...whether or not you are coming" sounds like I don't care what you do= , > >but this implicature is *not* present in the Lojban version. > > >=20 > That's logically correct, but not very, er, Gricean. This calls for an=20 > attitudinal, not a logical connector, I think. *starts spitting out random crap* mi klama le zarci .iju .e'u do klama mi klama le zarci .iju xu do klama mi klama le zarci .i xu do go'i mi klama le zarci .i xu do go'i djica mi klama le zarci .i xu do djica lenu kansa fi lenu go'i mi klama le zarci .i do ka'e kansa gi'anai da'i do djica mi klama le zarci .i xu do kansa djica I'm not sure if the second to last one is even correct. But I think the last one is pretty decent. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --eAbsdosE1cNLO4uF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9vcQUDrrilS51AZ8RAjhLAJ98zT97mDWxzSKCwwcyTaX83CpbaACeM09M gGc6eAV4UOETNWTi8mXTnqI= =uasD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --eAbsdosE1cNLO4uF--