From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Oct 28 15:17:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 28 Oct 2002 23:17:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 17807 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2002 23:17:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2002 23:17:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2002 23:17:41 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 186J8f-0003Zr-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:17:41 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 186J8c-0003ZV-00; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:17:38 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:17:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 186J8Y-0003ZM-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:17:34 -0800 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g9SNN09B074840 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:23:05 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g9SNN0p0074839 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:23:00 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:23:00 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: cfari vs. fanmo Message-ID: <20021028232300.GC73625@allusion.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WfZ7S8PLGjBY9Voh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 2356 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --WfZ7S8PLGjBY9Voh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 10:54:26PM +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote: > la djorden cusku di'e >=20 > >cfari and fanmo aren't parallel in concept. cfari and mulno are. > > > >I think krasi is the on which is parallel to fanmo. >=20 > I agree about {krasi}/{fanmo}, but {mulno} is not really the > counterpart of {cfari}. {cfari} is about a change of state, > while {mulno} is not. {mulbi'o} would correspond to {cfari}. Ahh; I agree. > In fact: >=20 > le fasnu cu cfari -> co'a fasnu > le fasnu cu tolcfa -> co'u fasnu > le fasnu cu mulbi'o -> mo'u fasnu .ie .ie > We might also say: >=20 > le fasnu cu zilbre -> pu'o fasnu > le fasnu cu ranji -> ca'o fasnu > le fasnu cu mulno -> ba'o fasnu > le fasnu cu mulno jeku'i ranji -> za'o fasnu I agree with mulno -> ba'o. ranji -> ca'o maybe, but i'm not sure. If one buys that one must buy the za'o you give though. The zilbre seems a bit off though: if mulno is ba'o why not tolmulno? > and also perhaps: >=20 > le fasnu cu zildicra -> de'a fasnu > le fasnu cu tolzildicra -> di'a fasnu I'd believe these ones though. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --WfZ7S8PLGjBY9Voh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9vcbTDrrilS51AZ8RApmCAJ9RvkIWxDBQxGkM2+Y74eodUfDqQgCgti2y 2URSnPnayfltvYo1TNNIpgU= =x/Hq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WfZ7S8PLGjBY9Voh--