From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Oct 29 16:22:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 30 Oct 2002 00:22:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 34522 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2002 00:22:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2002 00:22:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2002 00:22:46 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 186gdC-0004NN-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:22:46 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 186gd9-0004N6-00; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:22:43 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:22:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 186gd5-0004Mx-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:22:39 -0800 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g9U0S89B081496 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:28:08 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g9U0S8BM081495 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:28:08 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:28:08 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: tirna .e pencu .e sumne .e viska .enai vrusi Message-ID: <20021030002808.GA80747@allusion.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zhXaljGHf11kAtnf" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 2375 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 11:36:47PM +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote: > la camgusmis cusku di'e > >Why are all the sense words except vrusi agentive? >=20 > Ah, you're discovering the joys of the gi'uste irregularities! >=20 > {vrusi} belongs to another series: There's more than one irregularity here: tirna3 is ... err ... lame. And viska3 is ... lame. Of course, {snaga'e} and {jviga'e} are usable for a regular structure, no? I think the real problem here is that a keyword like "taste" can give the wrong impression. Unlike "sound" and "to hear", "taste" in english can mean both. > sance - tirna > tengu - te'urga'e > panci - sumne > jvinu - viska > vrusi - vu'irga'e Someone outta put these into learning materials somewhere. ;P For structures which all match in the right column we can also have: sance - snaga'e tengu - tegyga'e panci - panga'e jvinu - vinga'e vrusi - vusyga'e Of course; the gismu which fill some of your right-hand column are still useful for their rafsi. Regarding the structure: .i pe'ipei zo vu'irga'e zo'u ko'a ganse ko'e noi se vrusi ko'i Maybe with a ko'o ko'u for ganse3-4; but I'd rather elim. it as an irrelevant place (ji'a you can get them with {ta'i} and {va'o}). > I'm not sure {pencu} really belongs there. I agree; it's the same keyword thing again too. *mumbles about how we need more definition info for gismu* --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9vyeYDrrilS51AZ8RAmaqAKC7WOuFPj2nTriMbJpsPBfmyvNkSgCggHTG 9yX3GJFX1R0pTURQM/+HLSk= =jU9x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf--