From jjllambias@hotmail.com Tue Nov 05 15:02:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 5 Nov 2002 23:01:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 92335 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2002 23:01:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2002 23:01:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.123) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2002 23:02:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:02:02 -0800 Received: from 200.69.6.24 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 23:02:02 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] What the heck is this crap? Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 23:02:02 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2002 23:02:02.0140 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A11EDC0:01C2851F] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.6.24] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la camgusmis cusku di'e >To wit: it is the opinion of the old-time experts that > >ca ro djedi lo nanmu cu cinba la meris >lo nanmu ca ro djedi cu cinba la meris > >are distinct in meaning. This is hardly surprising. Places introduced with tags behave just like core places. The difference between those two is analogous to the difference between these: fe ro ninmu fa lo nanmu cu cinba fa lo nanmu fe ro ninmu cu cinba >More frighteningly, this implies that: > >ca le nu broda kei lo nanmu cu cinba la meris >lo nanmu ca le nu broda kei cu cinba la meris > >are distinct in meaning. No, it does not, if by {le nu broda} you mean {le pa nu broda}. Singular terms are very benign and can be moved around safely. If it's {le za'u nu broda} then yes, they are distinct, but this is hardly ever the case in practice. >Given all that, one of the following things is true: > >1. The above are not, in fact, distinct in meaning. > >2. xod and I are missing something in the Red Book (note in particular >10.23, which directly contradicts the above). > >3. An erratta to the Red book is required. > >Which is it? I don't find anything in 10.23 about this. Can you be more explicit? mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband.  Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp