Subject: Re: [lojban] What the heck is this crap?

From: "Jorge Llambias" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 23:02:02 +0000

la camgusmis cusku di'e

>To wit: it is the opinion of the old-time experts that
>
>ca ro djedi lo nanmu cu cinba la meris
>lo nanmu ca ro djedi cu cinba la meris
>
>are distinct in meaning.

This is hardly surprising. Places introduced with tags behave
just like core places. The difference between those two is
analogous to the difference between these:

fe ro ninmu fa lo nanmu cu cinba
fa lo nanmu fe ro ninmu cu cinba

>More frighteningly, this implies that:
>
>ca le nu broda kei lo nanmu cu cinba la meris
>lo nanmu ca le nu broda kei cu cinba la meris
>
>are distinct in meaning.

No, it does not, if by {le nu broda} you mean {le pa nu broda}.
Singular terms are very benign and can be moved around safely.
If it's {le za'u nu broda} then yes, they are distinct, but this
is hardly ever the case in practice.

>Given all that, one of the following things is true:
>
>1. The above are not, in fact, distinct in meaning.
>
>2. xod and I are missing something in the Red Book (note in particular
>10.23, which directly contradicts the above).
>
>3. An erratta to the Red book is required.
>
>Which is it?

I don't find anything in 10.23 about this. Can you be more explicit?

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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