From xod@thestonecutters.net Tue Nov 05 15:42:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 5 Nov 2002 23:42:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 93360 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2002 23:42:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2002 23:42:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2002 23:42:50 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 189DLO-0006p5-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:42:50 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 189DLJ-0006oo-00; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:42:45 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:42:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 189DLF-0006of-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:42:41 -0800 Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA5Ngdt75239 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:42:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:42:39 -0500 (EST) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: What the heck is this crap? In-Reply-To: <20021105222732.GH22843@digitalkingdom.org> Message-ID: <20021105183900.B73242-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 2428 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > This drastically changes the semantics of lojban as I understand them. > As I engage in real-time conversations in the language, albeit with word > lookup, I feel that I understand the basic semantics pretty well. But it gets worse. According to Nick Nicholas, in a recent email to me: > zo'e = su'o de > > ro bangu cu selfi'i zo'e = ro da poi bangu; su'o de zo'u: da selfinti de > (This is read as there being a possibly distinct de for each da) > > zo'e finti ro bangu = su'o de; ro da poi bangu zo'u: de finti da > (This is read as there being at least one de inventing all da) -- "In the Soviet Union, government controls industry. In the United States, industry controls government. That is the principal structural difference between the two great oligarchies of our time." -- Edward Abbey